2920X & 2970WX Review - Is the Linear Pricing Structure the Right Way?

Right here on the table we have two new CPUs introducing the Threadripper lineup from AMD. This is the 2920X with its 12 cores and 24 threads coming in at $650 US or if you're in Australia, 1,019 AUD. Comes with a base clock of 3.5 gigahertz and the turbo of 4.3 gigahertz. And then they've got the 2970 WX. 24 cores, 48 threads coming in at $1,300 US or in Australia 2,040 AUD with a base clock of three gigahertz on all cores and turbos up to 4.2 gigahertz. However, how do these compare against the current stack of Threadripper chips out there? Namely, the 2950X with its 16 cores and 32 threads and also the 2990WX with its 32 cores in 64 threads. Well today we're going to take these four Threadripper CPUs and compare it against the 2700X and also the 9900K and the 79ATXE and also overclock them to what I consider generalized overclock levels to find out how well they perform in both productivity and gaming benchmarks. 

Welcome back to Tech Yes City. And right here on the test bench we are using Asrock boards across the whole lineup whether it be the fatality or gaming lineup on the X399 specifically we use the fatality gaming board with a quad-channel memory with 32 gigabytes of flair X, 32 hundred megahertz, CL 14 timings. On the dual channel configuration we still used the same four sticks but of course it will be in dual channel configuration we use the Nanomax cooler on the Threadripper chips and then for the Corsair chips we use the H15I pro. Anyway, pulling up those productivity scores first for you guys, we have the blender results showing what the best-case scenario for the Threadripper chips can be in an application that can utilize all those cores and threads within 2990WX coming out in front followed by the 2970WX Intel's chip, the 7980XE still is performing quite well slotting into the results quiet nicely but I feel like the 2920X and also the 2950X kind of represent a bit better value for money here and then of course the 9900K and also 2700X still doing very well. Moving across now to Adobe Premiere Pro which does paint a different picture which is going to be important in the conclusion of today's video because we can see here that the Intel CPUs are winning in terms of their core and thread count. This is because Intel have put money into Adobe for them to optimize their software for Intel CPUs, AMD CPUs are still yet to catch up with the 2950X pretty much being the max utilization of cores and threads here after this, the 24 core and also the 32 core WX variants don't really take advantage of those extra quart and thread counts.

So essentially, if you're buying one of these WX chips for the Adobe suite you'd be wasting your money in my opinion. Then move over to CineBench which is the multi-threaded benchmark, showcases the max theoretical performance of these chips, 2990WX does do very well then the 297WX and also the other Threadripper chips do scale in tandem to the amount of cores and threads they have. Moving right across to the single threaded benchmarks. This is where the Intel chips do pull ahead, especially in the case of the 9900K with its higher single-threaded clock speed as well as a slightly better IPC. And then moving across to V-ray, another CPU simulated benchmark, this is where the Threadripper also the WX and even the X variants do score very well in relation their core and thread counts with the 2990WX coming out on top followed by the 2970WX. And then on to the last of the benchmarks here which does paint an important picture in relation to the WX versus the X chips and this is the compression benchmark where we can see the 2950X and also the 2920X pulled ahead of the higher core and thread-count WX brothers and this is because they both utilize quad channel memory and in the case of the WX chips they link the dies together at least two channels off a two die as opposed to the X variants which leads two channels off of one die so we can see here the memory is a limiting factor on the WX in certain benchmarks and it can be to the point where actually bottlenecks the WX chips and they perform less than the lower core and thread-count variants. This has to do with the higher core counting threads being hungry for that information but being limited to the amount of data they can pull through the memory itself. The Intel chips and also the 2700X do quite well in this benchmark and then we move over to the decompression benchmarks and this is where I feel the 2970WX does very well. Where the extra cores and threads on the 2990WX don't do as well in relation to the 2970WX. So it is good to see the 24 core 48 threaded chip doing very well in this benchmark as well as the Threadripper and AMD chips in general pulling some really high numbers.

So now we finished the productivity benchmarks, we'll quickly sum up what's happening here. The WX chips are mainly for specific applications that can utilize all those cores and all those threads and that quad-channel memory isn't going to limit all those calls and all those threads. So if you're this person looking for this CPU and you know you can utilize that extra power then one of these CPUs will represent good value for money but I feel like for most people, especially power users whether you're using the Adobe suite or you're streaming gaming and doing a lot of tasks at the same time, I feel like the 2950X does represent the best value here and I feel like the 2920X here and also the 2970WX for that matter are a little bit overshadowed by their higher core count variant brothers which scale in a linear price range so you're not getting rewarded for having those cut-down cores on the Threadripper dies in this case, usually when it comes to CPUs that are at the absolute top and have that flagship CPU they usually command a premium for getting the most performance out of them and ultimately when we compare this linear pricing structure of the 2920X to the 2950X and also the 2970WX to the 2990WX I feel like you're not getting rewarded for missing out on those cut-down dies and that usually you get a discount whether it be a GPU or a CPU in the case of, for instance an RX570 versus an RX580 you're getting a more of a discount but you're not getting the performance cut that you would in that price differential, if this is making any sense? And then we've got the other costs associated with that as well, the X399 boards, the coolers and all that other jazz which then brings the total build cost in favor of getting the 2950X or getting the 2990WX. And then of course we have the Intel counterparts which we'll talk about that later in the conclusion after we rolled the gaming benchmarks.

First up here we had CS:GO 1080p lowest settings, this is mainly for competitive gamers who need a ridiculously high draw frame and they don't mind playing at low res. Apparently that helps them see enemies easier and so in this case the 9900K is doing the best here but all the other chips are still doing very well you're gonna be able to competitively game on all these chips shown in the graph and then when we move it up to 1440p we can see the results really come down to a small differential here and now if you're like me and you like playing with higher graphical settings on higher res monitors and want to enjoy yourself then it's not really gonna matter which CPU you pick out of this bunch. Move it to an Assassin's Creed Origins however does paint a little bit of a different scenario where the 2700X out of AMD's lineup is performing the best and then the Threadripper chips don't do as well. The Intel CPUs are coming out in top of the 9900K coming out best here and then move it to 1440p just like CS:GO saw the difference being cut down yet again. And then moving over to the Dota 2, probably one of the most competitive games with the biggest prize pool in terms of tournaments getting high FPS here is pretty important but the game is capped at 240 FPS so what we saw at 1080p lower settings was the 9900K doing well and also all the other chips were doing very well too and then go into 1440p the RTX2080TI was not being held back pretty much at all besides some 1% lows which did throw out the numbers just by a little bit compared to 1080p lower settings but it is important to note that these differences again are on a 2018TI which is pretty much the best gaming graphics card out there, not to mention it's the Strix model which does perform very well. Anyway the last of the gaming benchmarks is GTA 5 where at 1080p lower settings the numbers on the 9900K with such high FPS actually effects this to the point where it's apparently breaking the engine of the game and that causes the 1% loads to be lower due to induce stuttering.

The other chips here do very well, very smooth experience, scoring better 1% lows then move over to 1440p highest settings we see the differences are cut down dramatically to the point where you're gonna have a good experience on all of these CPUs regardless of what GPU you have. And now here we are with conclusion time with the four Threadripper chips on the table also some Intel counterparts. When will you want to go with AMD, when will you want to go with Intel? Well as we've seen with the graphs and then we look at the pricing structure, the AMD Threadripper chips represent phenomenal value for money through and through. Then you will look at the Intel counterparts that do have their merits as well. If you're looking for something that it'll do well in the Adobe suite or if you're looking for something that it's going to be the best competitive gaming CPU then the 7980XE and also the 9900K are going to do very well but they are expensive chips, at least compared to the AMD counterparts but when we look at the 2920X and the 2970WX we can see that they're stuck in this weird juxtaposition compared to the other chips, their big brothers namely, in their pricing structure and this is what sort of puts me off a little bit with these chips. I mean if you know that you need this amount of cores and this amount of threads for that application and you're going to utilize this value for money out of these chips then go for it but if you're looking for sort the best in slot CPU for your X399 board then I'd rather go with the 2950X or the 2990WX, that's just my opinion but because you don't get a discount with the 2920X or the 2970WX for losing those cores and threads, it's in a linear pricing structure and since you're already getting a motherboard and a big cooler and a power supply and all that other jazz, I think you would be better suited in my opinion with going with that bigger brother and getting that better performance whether it be the best in slot quad channel memory 16 core chip, the 2950X or the best in slot 32 core, 64 threaded AMD 2990WX.

They're my two choices coming out of this and then there may be the argument of, well I need more PCIe lanes and they offer 64 PCIe lanes which is a great benefit of the Threadripper chips but if you need that many PCA lanes and you don't care for the performance of the CPU too much then the 1900X still represents phenomenal value for money, that's coming in at under $400 US and still gives you access to all those PCIe lanes so that may be a CPU that you may wish to consider if you need that 64 lanes of PCI usage but throwing another curve ball into this conclusion, makes it a little bit difficult here because the 2920X I do like it if you are into a placeholder CPU. For instance if you can pick up a cheap X399 board that's still a very good quality and you want to hold out for the 7 nanometer chips, then this 12 core 24 threaded CPU definitely could be for you I do like it in that sense, it's the cheapest 2000-series chip and in my opinion I like the CPUs on the 2000 lineup whether it be Ryzen or Threadripper, a lot more than the 1000 series.

I think AMD has done a great job in reducing the latencies so that may be one reason why you'd want to go with the 2920WX chip if you are in the market for it. But when we compare them to the Intel counterparts, AMD Threadripper and also Ryzen chips represent phenomenal value for money through and through but one more elephant in the room I guess, people are going to bring up, is the overclocking on these chips. When it comes to workstations and overclocking, I have my workstation here it's overclocked, I over clock it in the winter, the summer, it doesn't matter I always get stable over clocks because I've got good gear and I know how to get those stable over clocks without inducing crashing on my machines. But anyway in the case of today's video I took these CPUs to what I consider safe and decent over clocks and they're generalized overclock and maybe the 9900K is a little bit aggressive at five gigahertz, but keep in mind, this is stable and what I've got here is apparently a silicon loser and at least when I compare it to what other people are getting but regardless, that aside if you are on a workstation and you are a single end-user then I recommend overclocking, people have critiqued me in the comments and laughed at me even for having a workstation that's overclocked but I've been using this thing and all my rigs before it in the last few years and they've all been overclocked and I've managed to get 4k videos done day in day out and the benefits of overclocking versus not overclocking has saved me a lot of time so I'd recommend it to anyone, if you have good gear and you can take some time out to learn the settings which will end up saving you a lot of time in the long run, especially if you wish to keep these CPUs for a few years.

But do keep in mind of course the negative of overclocking is that you will get increased power consumption and as we can see with all these seven chips that we've tested here today the power consumption does go up with overclocking and in the case of the WX chips they do start to balloon out a bit so you will want to get a really good cooler, really good power supply and really good motherboard if you do wish to overclock any of these chips seen on the desk here. I'd say the 2700X is sort of an exception, you can get this out of the box with a B350 motherboard even to very good levels and it won't use a whole lot of power anyway in a nutshell, I do like the 2920X and also the 2970WX, I just feel like they're a little bit overshadowed by the linear pricing structure. For instance I would like to see the 2920X dropped from $650 US to say 600 or even $550 US and then the 2970WX from 1,300 to $1,200 US. I think this would represent a great value for money proposition and would reward people for taking the cut down dies and getting that extra value for money. Anyway, let me know in the comment section below which chip would you go for out of the Threadripper lineup or would you just go with the 2700 extra or 9900K. Love reading your thoughts and opinions as always and also if you're feeling a little bit adventurous might want to get some Tech Yes City merch or if you enjoyed the content coming out every single day might want to jump on the Patreon bandwagon for as little as a dollar a month you can get access to behind the scenes vlogs and also some special discord privileges and I'll catch you in another tech video very soon. Peace out for now.

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